you want to use for education. maybe you want to use it for your home. maybe you need it for healthcare. let's cap it. itemize deductions at a certain amount. if you cap at $25,000, you can lower all tax rates 20%. plus kill the alternative minimum tax forever and still have $1.3 trillion in revenue. if you do it at $50,000, cap. it gives you $800 billion. >> i like this idea when i first heard it but there are problems and intended consequences. for instance, you wipe out charities. charitable giving changed radically but that cap at $25,000. that is why i like the idea just you can keep giving to charitable or anything else but lowering the rate -- you can't lower it lower than the 28 cents a dollar that karl talked about. >> bret: all right. the 37%, not 39.6, but raising the top tier to 37% is that going to fly? and is the republican caucus in the house? >> it's hard to get the republican caucus to go for rates. they offered revenue. okay, fine. you won the election. give you $800 billion but find it in a way with less of an impact. >> despite what corker and coburn -- th

illegal immigrants from health and education. that was ultimately overturned. from then on, that was a democratic state. i think that proposals like self-deportation, which hit home to families here even if you are here legally. the idea that your friends or family might have to go home, wait in line, and maybe never come back, that hits home. i think that is viewed as a hostile act. you have to get past that. personally, i would like to go to the day of john mccain in 2007 and look for a pathway to citizenship. if that is too far for the party, then look at the things like to new kay bailey hutchison legislation, which would make a pathway for young immigrants. >> bret: tucker? >> actually, california voted for clinton before pete wilson got involved in the debate over whether illegal immigrants ought to have welfare benefits. democrat is a democratic state because it's state of immigrants for the reasons that charles mentioned. what is missing is not all immigrants are the same. many latin american countries send us immigrants that go on welfare. but does the united states need new n